- Plenty to think about here Nick, not least your interest in being employed in some sort of advisory capacity *lol*.
First things first. I might have expected you to be a bit more positive about Live Feed. You said in your opening paragraph that "The lack of a live feed is perhaps the most contentious issue for BB fans. But let us not lose sight that it was Channel 4 who forced the issue and took away the live feed citing quite reasonably, the cost, the extra staff and of course the legal issues in having a 24 hour feed."
You are right. It is contentious and is also the most important issue facing the programme and the subsequent loss of the audience. As I have said before, Ch4 lost their collective nerve during and after the Shilpa Shetty incident. They took a foolish risk (of bringing in the disfunctional Jade clan) and it backfired spectacularly. After that they never took a risk and as a consequence they removed anything from Live Feed remotely interesting. (Plus they decided to keep anything that looked like a news story back for the main show.) Channel 4 attempted to kill Live Feed (as it had been) deliberately. They were attempting to back out of the show and did not really care about the future of BB. The cost of providing it (staff and kit) is a red herring, part of the smokescreen. We don't believe cost is the issue. If they stopped paying the people they have censoring Facebook and their own website they would have some cash left to re-employ sensible skilled people to carry out the technical and administrative aspects of the feed. (If the quality of the skills and the educational qualifications of the Facebook Channel 5 admins can be judged by the quality of their language, posting styles and decision making then they will probably be free to pursue other employment opportunities elsewhere once Facebook posting is simplified by the provision of Live Feed.)
Legal issues can be reduced with common sense. We live in an increasingly litigious society; the risk wont go away. Again, my view is that the risk of being harassed by vulture-like lawyers is not the reason either. The real reason that we have no Live Feed is because all the young trendies on the production team took the view that Facebook was the solution to socialising BB; bringing the target audience to them in a risk free manner. Their new voting strategy relies on block Facebook voting by people who are reluctant to pick up the phone and vote. My view is that they chose the Facebook solution first and having talked themselves into believing it would work decided to drop Live Feed (and dropped the audience as well). Th truth is of course that they tapped into the articulate core within Facebook who can use all social media for their own ends, rather than have an external social media solution imposed upon them.
No doubt Mr Ford is a bit aggrieved that we haven't gone away, while his audience has.
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Thursday, 22 September 2011
I posted this on Nick Bateman's blog and he deleted it - then reinstated it.
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Big Brother is shedding viewers faster than a cat sheds it’s coat in the summer!
http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/big-brother/big-brother-2011-in-ratings-crisis/
The Celebrity version of the reality TV series proved a hit for Channel 5 when it launched last month and attracted a decent amount of viewers to the channel over it’s three week run. However, the normal series has now begun and though it launched with 3 million people watching earlier in September, the figures have been steadily falling ever since.
On Saturday night, only 900,000 people tuned in for the hour long daily catchup episode. This was the lowest ratings the show has ever achieved, since it first launched on Channel 4 in 2000.
Although the Saturday episode is normally the least popular of the week, the drop was still marked, with the lowest previous recorded ratings occurring during its 11th series when the weekend special drew in 1.5 million in 2009.
Have you been watching Big Brother? Is it as good as previous year’s? Leave all your BB related comments and musings below.
brian garbutt says:
September 22, 2011 at 11:01 am
bring back the live feed thats the problem.you cannot get to know the housemates with the small amount of highlights that your putting out.you need toget to know them at there normal surroundings when its live its off the cuff,they do things and say things for us to see at a instance,your cutting it and editiong,taking away the build up of relations with the housemates therfore making us watch more to see what they are going to do next.
REPLY
Max King says:
September 22, 2011 at 11:32 am
It’s really boring now that its all young under 30 singles.
Big Brother is supposed to have a diverse mix of people from society. There have been such big characters who viewers love such as Carol or Jonty who would not qualify under these bizzare requirements that you have to be under 30 and single. It’s boring because they are all veery similart
REPLY
Loz says:
September 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I think some of the problem has to be down to the fact that it doesn’t start until 10pm. It’s a bit late to start watching something for a lot of the people I know. Plus, the time does float around a bit so can be a bit confusing as to when it’s actually on.
I love BB but have got to say that until last night’s episode which was hilarious I have found this series uninteresting and lacking in energy.
I also think they’ve made a mistake putting contestants in who are all under 30.
REPLY
claire says:
September 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I wasn’t impressed at first with the ages of them but its turning out to be quite funny.. 10pm is too late for me 9pm was much better. I have to record it and watch it the night after. Mix it up some more BB, we want more laughs and more drama x
REPLY
DT says:
September 22, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Its on too late for some people. Think we should be voting for who we want out, like the borings gits! Apart from that its great!
REPLY
Debs says:
September 22, 2011 at 1:58 pm
decided not to watch as there were no over 30s. Think that may be one of the main problems…older people generally are more interesting
REPLY
mary tait says:
September 22, 2011 at 4:43 pm
ive been an avid fan all these years a 1hr show with 2min. clips doesn’t do it for this type of show never getting to know housemates or what their doing is rather annoying and irritating so people switch of, big brother means watching you 24/7 but 45mins doesnt come close even 4 or 5 hrs a day we could maybe get interested. by choosing all english under thirties was also a mistake youve lost scots. welsh and irish viewers. i am scottish and a much older viewer i would have liked to watch but it holds nothing for me or my ilk. reading about whats happening on facebook page means absolutely nothing to bb fans, you could say anything how do we know its real.
REPLY
Michael says:
September 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm
There have been quite a few under 30′s that have been entertaining, (Glyn and his egg song etc), but they were REAL people not chosen from a portfolio of would be actors or models. The lack of at least some live feed has had the most influence, the lack of being able to relate to each character while their guard is down. The ‘Social Media’ experiment is not working at all because of the bias of those that are administrating it, any comment that doesnt follow the party line is deleted and users blocked, the people they are attacking are the REAL BB fans, the core audience that channel 5 needed, instead they have alienated them – Channel 5 have missed a golden opportunity and have made a laughing stock of a program that is popular wordwide.
REPLY
Darren says:
September 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
There are many reasons Big Brother on Channel 5 is failing. The main reason is the lack of live feed. An hour of highlights a night is not enough to really get to know the house mates properly. Highlights can and are minipulated to show certain people in a good or bad way, only live feed truely reflects how people genuinely are. Also the highlights show is on too late for many people, it should be shown at 9 o clock every night which is still after the water shed. Also every house mate under 30? come on, we should he a better mix of ages. What about people from Scotland, Wales and N Ireland didn’t they audition for the show?
REPLY
Jazz says:
September 22, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Channel 5 have got BB spectacularly wrong after the stunningly poor decision making by Jeff Ford and his team. Live Feed was and is the solution to socializing the programme, not some inept and totally censored Facebook offering. Unless he recants this rash decision and perhaps even admits he is sorry for his arrogant and derisive justification there is no way he will get the fans back. The advertisers must be really unhappy with the audience size and with the fall in numbers week on week. We are unhappy with the lack of Live Feed. There is a single solution that will make us all happy Mr Ford:Bring back Live Feed. It might not cheer you up greatly to admit you were wrong but the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step – so get on and make it.
The Celebrity version of the reality TV series proved a hit for Channel 5 when it launched last month and attracted a decent amount of viewers to the channel over it’s three week run. However, the normal series has now begun and though it launched with 3 million people watching earlier in September, the figures have been steadily falling ever since.
On Saturday night, only 900,000 people tuned in for the hour long daily catchup episode. This was the lowest ratings the show has ever achieved, since it first launched on Channel 4 in 2000.
Although the Saturday episode is normally the least popular of the week, the drop was still marked, with the lowest previous recorded ratings occurring during its 11th series when the weekend special drew in 1.5 million in 2009.
Have you been watching Big Brother? Is it as good as previous year’s? Leave all your BB related comments and musings below.
brian garbutt says:
September 22, 2011 at 11:01 am
bring back the live feed thats the problem.you cannot get to know the housemates with the small amount of highlights that your putting out.you need toget to know them at there normal surroundings when its live its off the cuff,they do things and say things for us to see at a instance,your cutting it and editiong,taking away the build up of relations with the housemates therfore making us watch more to see what they are going to do next.
REPLY
Max King says:
September 22, 2011 at 11:32 am
It’s really boring now that its all young under 30 singles.
Big Brother is supposed to have a diverse mix of people from society. There have been such big characters who viewers love such as Carol or Jonty who would not qualify under these bizzare requirements that you have to be under 30 and single. It’s boring because they are all veery similart
REPLY
Loz says:
September 22, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I think some of the problem has to be down to the fact that it doesn’t start until 10pm. It’s a bit late to start watching something for a lot of the people I know. Plus, the time does float around a bit so can be a bit confusing as to when it’s actually on.
I love BB but have got to say that until last night’s episode which was hilarious I have found this series uninteresting and lacking in energy.
I also think they’ve made a mistake putting contestants in who are all under 30.
REPLY
claire says:
September 22, 2011 at 12:55 pm
I wasn’t impressed at first with the ages of them but its turning out to be quite funny.. 10pm is too late for me 9pm was much better. I have to record it and watch it the night after. Mix it up some more BB, we want more laughs and more drama x
REPLY
DT says:
September 22, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Its on too late for some people. Think we should be voting for who we want out, like the borings gits! Apart from that its great!
REPLY
Debs says:
September 22, 2011 at 1:58 pm
decided not to watch as there were no over 30s. Think that may be one of the main problems…older people generally are more interesting
REPLY
mary tait says:
September 22, 2011 at 4:43 pm
ive been an avid fan all these years a 1hr show with 2min. clips doesn’t do it for this type of show never getting to know housemates or what their doing is rather annoying and irritating so people switch of, big brother means watching you 24/7 but 45mins doesnt come close even 4 or 5 hrs a day we could maybe get interested. by choosing all english under thirties was also a mistake youve lost scots. welsh and irish viewers. i am scottish and a much older viewer i would have liked to watch but it holds nothing for me or my ilk. reading about whats happening on facebook page means absolutely nothing to bb fans, you could say anything how do we know its real.
REPLY
Michael says:
September 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm
There have been quite a few under 30′s that have been entertaining, (Glyn and his egg song etc), but they were REAL people not chosen from a portfolio of would be actors or models. The lack of at least some live feed has had the most influence, the lack of being able to relate to each character while their guard is down. The ‘Social Media’ experiment is not working at all because of the bias of those that are administrating it, any comment that doesnt follow the party line is deleted and users blocked, the people they are attacking are the REAL BB fans, the core audience that channel 5 needed, instead they have alienated them – Channel 5 have missed a golden opportunity and have made a laughing stock of a program that is popular wordwide.
REPLY
Darren says:
September 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm
There are many reasons Big Brother on Channel 5 is failing. The main reason is the lack of live feed. An hour of highlights a night is not enough to really get to know the house mates properly. Highlights can and are minipulated to show certain people in a good or bad way, only live feed truely reflects how people genuinely are. Also the highlights show is on too late for many people, it should be shown at 9 o clock every night which is still after the water shed. Also every house mate under 30? come on, we should he a better mix of ages. What about people from Scotland, Wales and N Ireland didn’t they audition for the show?
REPLY
Jazz says:
September 22, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Channel 5 have got BB spectacularly wrong after the stunningly poor decision making by Jeff Ford and his team. Live Feed was and is the solution to socializing the programme, not some inept and totally censored Facebook offering. Unless he recants this rash decision and perhaps even admits he is sorry for his arrogant and derisive justification there is no way he will get the fans back. The advertisers must be really unhappy with the audience size and with the fall in numbers week on week. We are unhappy with the lack of Live Feed. There is a single solution that will make us all happy Mr Ford:Bring back Live Feed. It might not cheer you up greatly to admit you were wrong but the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step – so get on and make it.
Wednesday, 21 September 2011
Sleepwalking into a very subtle form of totalitarianism
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Social-networking-sites-are-gagging-free-speech/279714052057549?sk=info
Networking sites are being abused more and more as a channel for controlling, rather than expanding freedom of expression. We're sleepwalking into a very silent and insidious form of oppression.
If you subscribe to groups or pages of interest on your favourite social network provider, you will more than likely find that any posting that deviates from the orthodoxy of the group will more than likely be deleted, with the poster getting blocked. What's wrong with that? you might say. If the poster is being inciteful, defamatory or abusive, not very much. However if a poster is challenging statements or opinions that deviate from the orthodoxy of the group founder, and being suppressed simply for this, then this is an abomination and a lamentable commentary upon how little genuine freedom of speech there is in our so called democracy. The fact that such a practice is so mainstream is somewhat chilling. The world wide web has always offered the opportunity of emancipation to a new generation of users around the world. However with the advent of the social networking culture, we are sleepwalking into a very subtle form of totalitarianism. You will see more and more of this wherever you step within this virtual world. Social networking can be a fantastic gateway to a world of people one would never ordinarily meet, but it has the potential to be our enslaver as well. We must avoid sleepwalking into this abstract cage.
Networking sites are being abused more and more as a channel for controlling, rather than expanding freedom of expression. We're sleepwalking into a very silent and insidious form of oppression.
If you subscribe to groups or pages of interest on your favourite social network provider, you will more than likely find that any posting that deviates from the orthodoxy of the group will more than likely be deleted, with the poster getting blocked. What's wrong with that? you might say. If the poster is being inciteful, defamatory or abusive, not very much. However if a poster is challenging statements or opinions that deviate from the orthodoxy of the group founder, and being suppressed simply for this, then this is an abomination and a lamentable commentary upon how little genuine freedom of speech there is in our so called democracy. The fact that such a practice is so mainstream is somewhat chilling. The world wide web has always offered the opportunity of emancipation to a new generation of users around the world. However with the advent of the social networking culture, we are sleepwalking into a very subtle form of totalitarianism. You will see more and more of this wherever you step within this virtual world. Social networking can be a fantastic gateway to a world of people one would never ordinarily meet, but it has the potential to be our enslaver as well. We must avoid sleepwalking into this abstract cage.
Sunday, 18 September 2011
Gerry from BB said this on his Blog
This is what BB's Gerry has said on his blog http://gerrygreek.tumblr.com/
Last night BBUK rated less than 1million viewers for the first time ever! Why I am not surprised:
Last night, Big Brother UK had less than 1million viewers for the first time in its 12 year history ( 925,000 viewers, even the cheaply-produced “Coach trip” gets twice that!)
As the viewers continue to desert the show, advertisers and sponsors are furious and Channel 5 is holding crisis talks.
Unfortunately I am not surprised at all..
After a great Celeb edition (I never missed an episode) the “civilian” housemates are all young, vacuous, good-looks-but-no-depth types. There is NO Scottish, Welsh, Irish or foreign housemates, none are disabled, none are over 30 or fat.
If the audience needs a Club 18 - 30 scripted series, they can switch to “The Only Way is Essex”, “Geordie Shore” and a plethora of American trashy imports. The producers probably think they are following current TV trends but this way they alienated older, established viewers of a programme that used to get 4-5 million viewers.EVERY DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK, FOR 13 WEEKS!
The Big Brother freak-show in its Golden epoch, had varied ages, nationalities, backgrounds = media-savvy desperados as well as eccentrics that are there for the thrill of it.
Furthermore they seem to have too much contact with the outside world + cigarettes, booze, hair-straighteners etc.. (Celeb BB even allowed housemates to bring in Ipods!) I say make the housemates EARN their luxuries (and if they fail the task watch the slaughter).
The IMPORTANCE OF THE LIVE FEED
By abolishing the Live Feed altogether, Channel 5 got it wrong big style:
First of all the LF created heaps of buzz. Entertainment/TV editors for newspapers as well as bloggers and BB forum members, watched the live feed religiously and instantly, reported on events.
Secondly. Big Bro is all about getting to know the characters, immersing yourself into their lives.
There have always been wannabe model/presenter/singer types in the house. It was part of the BB success recipe from day one. BUT because of the live broadcast (day-time on E4, night-time on Ch4) the viewers would warm up even to the most superficial humans.
People often tell me that in the morning before they made coffee, they switched on the live feed. Most often they had careers, jobs and families to look after, but perceived us housemates as part of their lives. In BB8 we got tons of fan-mail from shelters, hospitals and even from prisons. Inmates were locked into their cells after 7 & they watched us all night arguing, chatting and yes even sleeping!
Recently Channel 5′s director of programmes Jeff Ford said: “We could have done live feed but we’ve moved on from watching people sleeping”.
Well-said darling. Alas the viewers HAVE MOVED ON TOO…
Now Mr Ford, pull your head out the sand and take action while you can salvage the show. Surely Ch5 can broadcast some form of live feed instead of that dreadful Super-Casino nonsense. You have got a golden goose in your hands AND you are slowly KILLING IT.
Thanks Gerry. I got bopped for telling people about your Blog but I will tell you about it tomorrow
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Big-Brother-Censorship-Official/252771224765108?sk=wall
Saturday, 17 September 2011
How to campaign successfully to ensure all stakeholders (us) have a say
Before we wander off to have a think about how we can change things viz-a-viz Live feed, a few thoughts on where we are after a week or so.
We have reached the end of the first week of OBB (Ordinary Big Brother).
This is not to be confused with the OBB (Official Big Brother) Facebook page which exists in two forms: The Community and the TV Show. There is a reason for this but it is not obvious to me. Someone suggested that it may be to do with keeping the Live Feed Spammers out but that cannot be the complete case for once we found out about it, we spammed there as well.
It may be to do with the voting system that they are trying to put into place. The previous voting system seemed quite well regulated (externally) and above suspicion. That may no longer be the case as both CH5 and FB can hardly be said to be independent and yet they are the owner and provider of the system which allows those within it to vote a fraction of the cost of those outside it.
The system using the FB App allows massive numbers of block votes from multiple accounts. A disreputable organisation which knew what the current vote totals were might easily be tempted to use multiple accounts at low costs to ensure that their favourite was kept in the house. 500 votes can cost as little as £30 but if you are a big rich company and a fair % of that £30 is coming back to you, what is to stop you voting tens of 1000s of times and ensuring your own outcome is achieved. All the changes wrought so far seem to be about distancing the viewers from the show so this may be a logical progression.
Who is going to be the independent adjudicator for the votes now?
I asked Channel 5 for some reassurance about the integrity of the new system:
Dear Channel 5. Can you please explain how you intend to ensure that the new Facebook block voting system is independently administered to ensure that there is no block voting from within the organisation to influence outcomes and also to ensure that the actual vote numbers are both kept secret from your group until the final vote is taken and that the actual total votes cast are published with the numbers broken down to show the amount of votes tallied against each voting mechanism provided?
Thank you
JM
So back to the theme of this blog today: What can we do?
I think the first thing we need to do is find somewhere else to discuss strategies. Only today the Live Feed Organiser was deleted as it is his group that provides a focal point for the 'Bring Back Live Feed' members.
I think it would be prudent to set one up as soon as possible while we are still able to converse.
I shall return here in due course...
We have reached the end of the first week of OBB (Ordinary Big Brother).
This is not to be confused with the OBB (Official Big Brother) Facebook page which exists in two forms: The Community and the TV Show. There is a reason for this but it is not obvious to me. Someone suggested that it may be to do with keeping the Live Feed Spammers out but that cannot be the complete case for once we found out about it, we spammed there as well.
It may be to do with the voting system that they are trying to put into place. The previous voting system seemed quite well regulated (externally) and above suspicion. That may no longer be the case as both CH5 and FB can hardly be said to be independent and yet they are the owner and provider of the system which allows those within it to vote a fraction of the cost of those outside it.
The system using the FB App allows massive numbers of block votes from multiple accounts. A disreputable organisation which knew what the current vote totals were might easily be tempted to use multiple accounts at low costs to ensure that their favourite was kept in the house. 500 votes can cost as little as £30 but if you are a big rich company and a fair % of that £30 is coming back to you, what is to stop you voting tens of 1000s of times and ensuring your own outcome is achieved. All the changes wrought so far seem to be about distancing the viewers from the show so this may be a logical progression.
Who is going to be the independent adjudicator for the votes now?
I asked Channel 5 for some reassurance about the integrity of the new system:
Dear Channel 5. Can you please explain how you intend to ensure that the new Facebook block voting system is independently administered to ensure that there is no block voting from within the organisation to influence outcomes and also to ensure that the actual vote numbers are both kept secret from your group until the final vote is taken and that the actual total votes cast are published with the numbers broken down to show the amount of votes tallied against each voting mechanism provided?
Thank you
JM
So back to the theme of this blog today: What can we do?
I think the first thing we need to do is find somewhere else to discuss strategies. Only today the Live Feed Organiser was deleted as it is his group that provides a focal point for the 'Bring Back Live Feed' members.
I think it would be prudent to set one up as soon as possible while we are still able to converse.
I shall return here in due course...
Guardian comments
Just reading some excellent comments on the Guardian to this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/14/big-brother-ratings
Flipsidetv
14 September 2011 5:59PM
Channel 5 cannot see that by alienating viewers(anyone over 30 can just shuffle off to the glue factory in their opinion) and by removing a live feed(an integral part of the Big Brother show)that this would have a dramatic effect on ratings, add to this many of the "housemates" are already trained up as actors or media presenters, it's not Big Brother, it should be renamed The Only way is Borehamwood.
anthony47
14 September 2011 6:26PM
It ain’t Big Brother any more, the only people watching them 24/7 are some newly churned out, dim Media Studies graduates in Porta Cabins outside the house.
How they allowed such an interesting format to be trashed in such a way is a mystery to me. I clocked in one night and when you take out the ad' breaks you have about 45 minutes of editorial jiggery pokery. If that's not enough of an insult to the format (45mins) if you then clock on to OK TV the next day, they will show you some of those same clips over again, nothing new, no effort at all has been spared to tell us naff all.
Whoever is overseeing this series needs the boot pronto because its farcical. We now know why Channel Five have such low ratings, if they can't grasp the concept of Big Brother and what “it” means, there’s no hope for them.
I was an avid BB follower and looking forward to this series and others to come, and funnily enough I thought they would produce this show far better than CH4 and take it to a new level, how wrong can you be? Shambles, utter shambles.
stentionhouse
14 September 2011 6:26PM
There are various reasons why C5's poor interpretation of Big Brother is failing & will continue to do so. Top of the list, even above the loss of the essential live feed, is the appalling way they've treated the long term fans of the show.
They have repeatedly broken Facebook's T&Cs (the 'malicious reporting' part, to be precise) in an attempt to gag the huge flood of complaints on their page.
Jeff Ford made his notorious 'we could have had a live feed...but we've all moved on' speech - pretty much guaranteeing the show's die hard fans would switch off.
All of the tweaks have made the show much worse - OTT Marcus, captions, incidental music, annoying flashbacks, dire spinoff show, all English housemates, all 30 or under, all media experienced wannabes, one or two of whom would have been more at home on CBB than the likes of Bobby or Lucien.
There's no way the viewers can ever get to know the housemates with the paltry snippets we're shown. Unlike a show such X Factor, I'm A Celeb or Britain's Got Talent, we're not voting on performances but on the overall personality of the housemates. As we can't get to know them at all, few will vote. And few will watch because it's just so frustrating.
CBB rated relatively well because it contained big, current RTV stars. BB was always going to struggle - and the dreadful way C5 have conducted themselves and awful changes they've made to what was essentially a pretty sound formula will surely spell the final end for a once great show, after fans had got their hopes up that it had been reprieved.
Richard Desmond was clearly hoping to use the Big Brother name to shift copies of his papers and magazines, with a few spinoff shows thrown in documenting the latest woes of Kerry Katona and the like. He cares nothing about the format of Big Brother, its history or the people who kept it rolling for so long. He wanted a new audience - and he's gone one. A rather small one, even by C5 standards.
Mickey31
15 September 2011 10:16AM
Like many,i was a fan of Big brother from the beginning and i hardly ever missed an episode in all the time it was on channel 4 but since seeing one episode of Cbb i've given up on it.Its one thing to make afew changes and add your own flavour to something but channel 5 have missed the whole point.
The Whole point of Big Brother was that you could watch a live social experiment for several hours a week and see how the charactors got on(or didn't)or got drunk and said or did stupid things which used to be in all the tabloids and all the fans on all the forums would be talking about it for the 3 months it was on and often for a couple after that,the advert used to say " SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR SUMMER" and millions pretty much did and got completely addicted but all that has gone due to the lack of,not only 24/7 live feed but also the axing of live feed after the main show at night,when all the things that made Big Brother popular used to happen.
Jeff Ford,the person to blame for most of the problems with channel 5,arrogantly said channel 5 had decided to move on from BB 24/7 live feed and pointed out that channel 4 temporarily got rid of it,but what he seems to have missed in his questionable wisdom is that Channel 4 never got rid of live bits at night because they knew it was when all the action happened and the very reason why so many were hooked.
Anyway,Jeff Ford says channel 5 have move on an so should Big brother fans and i for one have taken his advice and move on to another channel.Frankly its no wonder channel 5 are so unpopular if thats their attitude,they deserve everything they get.
Flipsidetv
14 September 2011 5:59PM
Channel 5 cannot see that by alienating viewers(anyone over 30 can just shuffle off to the glue factory in their opinion) and by removing a live feed(an integral part of the Big Brother show)that this would have a dramatic effect on ratings, add to this many of the "housemates" are already trained up as actors or media presenters, it's not Big Brother, it should be renamed The Only way is Borehamwood.
anthony47
14 September 2011 6:26PM
It ain’t Big Brother any more, the only people watching them 24/7 are some newly churned out, dim Media Studies graduates in Porta Cabins outside the house.
How they allowed such an interesting format to be trashed in such a way is a mystery to me. I clocked in one night and when you take out the ad' breaks you have about 45 minutes of editorial jiggery pokery. If that's not enough of an insult to the format (45mins) if you then clock on to OK TV the next day, they will show you some of those same clips over again, nothing new, no effort at all has been spared to tell us naff all.
Whoever is overseeing this series needs the boot pronto because its farcical. We now know why Channel Five have such low ratings, if they can't grasp the concept of Big Brother and what “it” means, there’s no hope for them.
I was an avid BB follower and looking forward to this series and others to come, and funnily enough I thought they would produce this show far better than CH4 and take it to a new level, how wrong can you be? Shambles, utter shambles.
stentionhouse
14 September 2011 6:26PM
There are various reasons why C5's poor interpretation of Big Brother is failing & will continue to do so. Top of the list, even above the loss of the essential live feed, is the appalling way they've treated the long term fans of the show.
They have repeatedly broken Facebook's T&Cs (the 'malicious reporting' part, to be precise) in an attempt to gag the huge flood of complaints on their page.
Jeff Ford made his notorious 'we could have had a live feed...but we've all moved on' speech - pretty much guaranteeing the show's die hard fans would switch off.
All of the tweaks have made the show much worse - OTT Marcus, captions, incidental music, annoying flashbacks, dire spinoff show, all English housemates, all 30 or under, all media experienced wannabes, one or two of whom would have been more at home on CBB than the likes of Bobby or Lucien.
There's no way the viewers can ever get to know the housemates with the paltry snippets we're shown. Unlike a show such X Factor, I'm A Celeb or Britain's Got Talent, we're not voting on performances but on the overall personality of the housemates. As we can't get to know them at all, few will vote. And few will watch because it's just so frustrating.
CBB rated relatively well because it contained big, current RTV stars. BB was always going to struggle - and the dreadful way C5 have conducted themselves and awful changes they've made to what was essentially a pretty sound formula will surely spell the final end for a once great show, after fans had got their hopes up that it had been reprieved.
Richard Desmond was clearly hoping to use the Big Brother name to shift copies of his papers and magazines, with a few spinoff shows thrown in documenting the latest woes of Kerry Katona and the like. He cares nothing about the format of Big Brother, its history or the people who kept it rolling for so long. He wanted a new audience - and he's gone one. A rather small one, even by C5 standards.
Mickey31
15 September 2011 10:16AM
Like many,i was a fan of Big brother from the beginning and i hardly ever missed an episode in all the time it was on channel 4 but since seeing one episode of Cbb i've given up on it.Its one thing to make afew changes and add your own flavour to something but channel 5 have missed the whole point.
The Whole point of Big Brother was that you could watch a live social experiment for several hours a week and see how the charactors got on(or didn't)or got drunk and said or did stupid things which used to be in all the tabloids and all the fans on all the forums would be talking about it for the 3 months it was on and often for a couple after that,the advert used to say " SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR SUMMER" and millions pretty much did and got completely addicted but all that has gone due to the lack of,not only 24/7 live feed but also the axing of live feed after the main show at night,when all the things that made Big Brother popular used to happen.
Jeff Ford,the person to blame for most of the problems with channel 5,arrogantly said channel 5 had decided to move on from BB 24/7 live feed and pointed out that channel 4 temporarily got rid of it,but what he seems to have missed in his questionable wisdom is that Channel 4 never got rid of live bits at night because they knew it was when all the action happened and the very reason why so many were hooked.
Anyway,Jeff Ford says channel 5 have move on an so should Big brother fans and i for one have taken his advice and move on to another channel.Frankly its no wonder channel 5 are so unpopular if thats their attitude,they deserve everything they get.
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